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Thursday, February 13, 2025

Translation references - "Urim and Thummim" and "gift and power of God"


Translation references to the Urim and Thummim and the gift and power of God.

The table below lists the known references to the translation of the Book of Mormon written, published or recorded during the lifetime of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, categorizing them by reference to “Urim and Thummim” only, “gift and power of God” only, and both.

It turns out that most references to the translation refer only to the Urim and Thummim. A few refer only to “gift and power of God,” while other refer to both.

Those who write or speak on this topic should consider whether it is accurate to say only that "Joseph Smith translated an ancient text “by the gift and power of God” to produce the Book of Mormon." [E.g., see the Gospel Topics Essay on Book of Mormon Translation, discussed here: https://www.ldshistoricalnarratives.com/p/gospel-topics-essay-on-translation.html

When discussing the translation, Joseph and Oliver Cowdery most often referred to the Urim and Thummim. To omit the Urim and Thummim when discussing the translation is a disservice to readers.

Joseph and others also combined the two concepts a few times, such as in the Wentworth Letter: "Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift, and power of God."

In the Wentworth letter and elsewhere, Joseph explained that the Urim and Thummim came with the plates and were created and preserved for the purpose of translation. To claim Joseph used another instrument, such as a stone he found in a well, contradicts the plain language Joseph and Oliver used to explain the translation.

This table is a work in progress that will be updated with links and additions. Send suggestions to lostzarahemla@gmail.com.

Updated Feb 15, 2025

Urim and Thummim only

Gift and power of God only

Both

 

Scripture

[1829] you had power given unto you to translate by the means of the Urim and Thummim (D&C 10:1)

 

 

 

[1838, relating back to 1823] there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.

(Joseph Smith—History 1:35) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-june-1839-circa-1841-draft-2/5

 

 

 

[1838, relating back to 1823] I commenced copying the characters off the plates. I copied a considerable number of them, and by means of the Urim and Thummim I translated some of them

(Joseph Smith—History 1:62)

 

 

 

[1834, relating back to 1829] Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’

(Oliver Cowdery in Joseph Smith—History, Note, 1)

 

 

 

 

[1844, relating back to 1829] “he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God”

John Taylor in D&C 135:3

 

 

Published historical references

 

[1830] “I translated, by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi, which was an account abridged from the plates of Lehi, by the hand of Mormon.” Preface to 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon

 

 

 

 

[1831, relating back to 1829] “During the trial it was shown that the Book of Mormon was brought to light by the same magic power by which he pretended to tell fortunes, discover hidden treasures, &c. Oliver Cowdery, one of the three witnesses to the book, testified under oath, that said Smith found with the plates, from which he translated his book, two transparent stones, resembling glass, set in silver bows. That by looking through these, he was able to read in English, the reformed Egyptian characters, which were engraved on the plates.

So much for the gift and power of God, by which Smith says he translated his book. Two transparent stones, undoubtedly of the same properties, and the gift of the same spirit as the one in which he looked to find his neighbor’s goods.

(“Mormonites,” Evangelical Magazine and Gospel Advocate, Utica, NY, April 9, 1831) at http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY/miscNYSe.htm#040931

http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1877Purp.htm

 

[1832, relating back to 1829] Q. -- In what manner was the interpretation, or translation made known, and by whom was it written?

A. -- It was made known by the spirit of the Lord through the medium of the Urim and Thummim; and was written partly by Oliver Cowdery, and partly by Martin Harris.

Q. -- What do you mean by Urim and Thummim?

A. -- The same as were used by the prophets of old, which were two crystal stones, placed in bows, something in the form of spectacles, which were found with the plates. Boston Investigator, Aug 10, 1832

 

 

 

[1832, relating back to 1828] [Martin Harris] returned to me [from New York] and gave them to <me to> translate and I said [I] cannot for I am not learned but the Lord had prepared spectacles for to read the Book therefore I commenced translating the characters and thus the Prop[h]icy of Isaiah was fulfilled. (History, circa Summer 1832)

https:/‌/‌www.josephsmithpapers.org/‌paper-summary/‌history-circa-summer-1832/‌5

 

 

 

 

 

[1833, relating back to 1829] It was translated by the gift and power of God, by an unlearned man, through the aid of a pair of Interpreters, or spectacles-(known, perhaps, in ancient days as Teraphim, or Urim and Thummim).” W. W. Phelps, The Evening and The Morning Star, 1/8 (January 1833), 57)

 

[1834, relating back to 1829] you sat day after day and wrote the history of the second race that inhabited this continent, as the words were repeated to you by the Lord’s prophet [Joseph Smith], through the aid of the “Urim and Thumim,” “Nephite Interpreters,” or Divine Spectacles.

(WW Phelps, Messenger and Advocate I.5:65 ¶4)

 

 

 

[1835, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record

(Messenger and Advocate I.5:80 ¶2).

 

 

 

[1835, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record. Joseph Smith’s journal.

 

 

 

 

[1833, relating back to 1829] “The Book of Mormon is a record of the fore-fathers of our western tribes of Indians; having been found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God…”

Communication from Joseph Smith, Jr., “Mormonism,” The American Revivalist and Rochester Observer (Rochester, New York) 7, no. 6 (2 February 1833)

 

 

[1838, relating back to 1823-9] Question 4th. How, and where did you obtain the Book of Mormon?

Answer. Moroni, the person who deposited the plates, from whence the Book of Mormon was translated, in a hill in Manchester, Ontario County, New York, being dead, and raised again therefrom, appeared unto me and told me where they were and gave me directions how to obtain them. I obtained them and the Urim and Thummim with them, by the means of which I translated the plates and thus came the Book of Mormon.

(Elders’ Journal I.3:42 ¶20–43 ¶1)

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/10  

 

 

 

 

 

[1840, relating back to 1829] “Having provided himself with a home, he commenced translating the record, by the gift and power of God, through the means of the Urim and Thummim” Orson Pratt, Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-orson-pratt-an-interesting-account-of-several-remarkable-visions-1840/14

 

[1840, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record

(Times and Seasons II.4:243 ¶3)

 

 

 

[1841, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record. Gospel Reflector

 

 

 

[1841, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record. Millennial Star.

 

 

 

 

 

[1842, relating back to 1827-9] With the records was found a curious instrument which the ancients called “Urim and Thummim,” which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rim of a bow fastened to a breastplate.

Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift, and power of God.

(Times and Seasons III.9:707 ¶5–6)

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/church-history-1-march-1842/2

 

 

 

[1839, published in 1842, relating back to 1829] you shall have a view of the plates, and also the breastplate, the sword of Laban, the Urim and Thummim, which were given to the brother of Jared upon the mount, when he talked with the Lord face to face… we heard a voice from out of the bright light above us, saying, “These plates have been revealed by the power of God, and they have been translated by the power of God; the translation of them which you have seen is correct, and I command you to bear record of what you now see and hear.”

(Times and Seasons III.21:897 ¶6, 898 ¶1)

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-june-1839-circa-1841-draft-2/30

 

 

 

[1842, relating back to 1829] “the Book of Mormon had come forth as an “ensign to the nations,” containing an account of the gospel in much plainness, being translated by the gift and power of God by the use of the Urim and Thummim, that had come forth with the plates that contain the record.

(Times and Seasons III.21:900 ¶1, reprinted from the Bostonian)

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-september-1842/6

 

[1842, relating back to 1823 and 1829]

The angel of the Lord appeared to him fifteen years since, and shewed him the cave where the original golden plates of the book of Mormon were deposited. He shewed him also the Urim and Thummim, by which he might understand the meaning of the inscriptions on the plates, and he shewed him the golden breastplate of the high priesthood. My son received these precious gifts, he interpreted the holy record, and now the believers in that revelation are more than a hundred thousand in number.

I have myself seen and handled the golden plates; they are about eight inches long, and six wide; some of them are sealed together and are not to be opened, and some of them are loose. They are all connected by a ring which passes through a hole at the end of each plate, and are covered with letters beautifully engraved. I have seen and felt also the Urim and Thummim. They resemble two large bright diamonds set in a bow like a pair of spectacles. My son puts these over his eyes when he reads unknown languages, and they enable him to interpret them in English. I have likewise carried in my hands the sacred breastplate. It is composed of pure gold, and is made to fit the breast very exactly. Lucy Mack Smith, quoted by Henry Caswall, The City of the Mormons; or, Three Days at Nauvoo, in 1842 (London: J. G. F. and J. Rivington, 1842), 26–27, online at https://archive.org/details/cityofmormonsort00casw/page/26

 

 

 

 

[1843, relating back to 1829]

[T]he fact is, that by the power of God I translated the Book of Mormon from hieroglyphics, the knowledge of which was lost to the world, in which wonderful event I stood alone, an unlearned youth, to combat the worldly wisdom and multiplied ignorance of eighteen centuries, with a new revelation, which (if they would receive the everlasting Gospel,) would open the eyes of more than eight hundred millions of people, and make “plain the old paths,” wherein if a man walk in all the ordinances of God blameless, he shall inherit eternal life. (letter, Nov. 13, 1843, in Times and Seasons IV.24:373 ¶1

https:/‌/‌www.josephsmithpapers.org/‌paper-summary/‌history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/‌147 and https:/‌/‌www.joseph‌smith‌‌papers.org/‌paper-summary/‌letter-to-james-arlington-bennet-13-november-1843/‌2

 

 

 

[1844, relating back to 1823] He [Moroni] said this history was written and deposited not far from that place, and that it was our brother’s privilege, if obedient to the commandments of the Lord, to obtain and translate the same by the means of the Urim and Thummim, which were deposited for that purpose with the record. The Prophet

 

 

 

 

[1844, relating back to 1829, originally written in 1833] The Book of Mormon is a record of the fore-fathers of our western tribes of Indians; having been found through the ministration of an holy angel, and translated into our own language by the gift and power of God,

(Times and Seasons V.21:707 ¶3) Nov. 15, 1844

 

 

 

 

[1844, relating back to 1827-9] With the records was found a curious instrument which the ancients called “Urim and Thummim,” which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rim of a bow fastened to a breastplate.

Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift, and power of God.

 

https://www.josephsmith‌papers.org/‌paper-summary/latter-day-saints-1844/3

 

Unpublished statements

 

 

[1829]

Now Joseph Smith Jr., certainly was the writer of the work, called the book of Mormon, which was written in ancient Egyptian characters,--which was a dead record to us until translated. And he, by a gift from God, has translated it into our language…. This record which gives an account of the first inhabitants of this continent, is engraved on plates, which have the appearance of gold; and they are of very curious workmanship…. And after that which was not sealed, was translated, the book should again be hid-up, unto the Lord, that it might not be destroyed; and come forth again, in the own due time of him, who knows all things unto the children of men.

(Letter Oliver H.P. Cowdery to Cornelius, C. Blatchly, Nov. 9, 1829, Gospel Luminary 2, no. 49 (Dec. 10, 1829): 194, in the Juvenile Instructor (blog), August 21, 2012, https://juvenileinstructor.org/1829-mormon-discovery-brought-to-you-by-guest-erin-jennings/)

 

 

 

 

[1835, relating back to 1823 and 1829] “[The Angel told me] that the Urim and Thumim, was hid up with the record, and that God would give me power to translate it, with the assistance of this instrument… at which time I obtained them, and translated them into the english language; by the gift and power of God and have been preaching it ever since.”

JS to Robert Matthews, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/conversations-with-robert-matthews-9-11-november-1835/4

 

[1845, relating back to 1828]

“After the angel left me’, said he, “I continued my supplications to God without cessation; and, on the 22d of September, I had the joy and satisfaction of again receiving the Urim and Thummim; and have commenced translating again, and Emma writes for me; but the angel said that the Lord would send me a scribe, and <I> trust his promise will be verified. The angel He also seemed pleased with me, when he gave me back the Urim and Thummim; and he told me that the Lord loved me, for my faithfulness and humility...” Lucy Mack Smith, in

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/142

 

 

 

[1844, relating back to 1829] In the meantime Joseph was 150 miles distant and knew naught of the matter except an intimation that was given through the urim and thumim for as he one morning applied them to his eyes to look upon the record instead of the words of the book being given him he was commanded to write a letter to one David Whitmer this man Joseph had never seen but he was instructed to say him that he must come with his team immediately in order to convey Joseph and his family Oliver [Cowdery] back to his house which was 135 miles that they might remain with him there until the translation should be completed for that an evil designing people were seeking to take away Joseph’s life in order to prevent the work of God from going forth among the world.

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1844-1845/100

 

 

 

[1845, relating back to 1829] “Not far from this time, as Joseph was translating by means of the Urim and Thummim, he received instead of the words of the Book, a commandment to write a letter to a man by the name of David Whitmer, who lived in Waterloo; requesting him to come immediately with his team, and convey them”

Lucy Mack Smith, https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/156

 

 

 

 

 

[1848, relating back to 1829] “I wrote with my own pen the entire Book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the lips of the Prophet as he translated it by the gift and power of God by means of the Urim and Thummim, or as it is called by that book, holy interpreters.

I beheld with my eyes and handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated.

I also beheld the Interpreters. Oliver Cowdery, in Reuben Miller journal, https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets?id=22222322-f4fe-41e3-aa86-bfc54b94df92&crate=0&index=14

 

[1907, relating back to 1848, relating back to 1829]

“[Oliver] represented Joseph as sitting at a table with the plates before him, translating them by means of the Urim and Thummim, while he (Oliver) sat beside him writing every word as Joseph spoke them to him. This was done by holding the ‘translators’ over the hieroglyphics, the translation appearing distinctly on the instrument, which had been touched by the finger of God and dedicated and consecrated for the express purpose of translating languages. Every word was distinctly visible even to every letter; and if Oliver omitted a word or failed to spell a word correctly, the translation remained on the ‘interpreter’ until it was copied correctly.”

https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1977/09/by-the-gift-and-power-of-god?lang=eng

 

 

 

 


Friday, February 7, 2025

2025 improvements - JSP on Urim and Thummim

In 2025, Latter-day Saints are studying Church history in Come Follow Me curriculum.

Here are some suggestions for improvement in the Joseph Smith Papers for the Glossary entry on the Urim and Thummim and Seer Stones. Original in blue, my comments in red.

1. Urim and Thummim entry. The entry contains some useful information but also some misdirection. It could be improved by providing more useful footnotes and context, and by deleting the misinformation.

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/topic/urim-and-thummim

Urim and Thummim

Summary

A device used to translate and receive revelation.1 In the Old Testament, the high priest of Israel used a device by this name to discern God’s will for Israel.2 The Book of Mormon gives an account of an ancient prophet, Mosiah, who translated records into his own language using “interpreters,” or “two stones” attached to “the two rims of a bow.”3 JS later recounted that he found such a device deposited with the gold plates, which he described as “spectacles,” or “two stones in silver bows,” and which he used to translate the plates.4 

Note 4 cites Jonathan Hadley's article: "“Golden Bible,” Palmyra (NY) Freeman, 11 Aug. 1829, 2."

However, Hadley never said he met Joseph Smith. He interacted with Martin Harris only and he said he "feel it my duty, as the conductor of a faithful public journal, to expose him and the whole Mormon gang. Thus it's inaccurate to attribute this statement directly to JS. For more analysis, see 

JS and other church members began referring to the instrument as the Urim and Thummim by 1832.5 

Note 5 is useful, but with no link to the Boston paper, the note should include the entire quotation from the newspaper so readers are fully informed. Orson Hyde and Samuel Smith explained the U&T clearly.

The term was also applied to seer stones JS said he used to translate and to receive some of his early revelations.6

Note 6 is highly misleading because it uses a passive voice to imply that JS himself applied the term U&T to seer stones, which he did not, regardless of what others said. JS made it perfectly clear that the U&T he used came with the plates and was distinct from any seer stones.  

The Woodruff Journal is often cited to support the stone-in-the-hat (SITH) narrative. It's great that JSP gives a link to the journal, but the link goes the main page for the journal, not to the specific page cited. That deters people from reading what the actual journal says. 

Here's the link they should provide:


And here is the actual journal entry:

I had the privilege for the first time in my life of seeing the URIM and THUMMIM.

That brief, ambiguous statement hardly justifies repudiating what Joseph and Oliver repeatedly taught. Furthermore, Brigham Young was also at that meeting and reported the events in more detail, showing that Joseph Smith clearly and unambiguously differentiated the Urim and Thummim he used to translate the Book of Mormon from the seer stone he showed the Apostles that day.

In his journal for that day, Brigham records that Joseph 

“explained to us the Urim and Thummim which he found with the plates, called in the Book of Mormon the Interpreters. He said that every man who lived on the earth was entitled to a seer stone, and should have one, but they are kept from them in consequence of their wickedness, and most of those who do find one make an evil use of it; he showed us his seer stone.” 

“History of Brigham Young,” LDS Millennial Star, 20 Feb. 1864, 26:118–119 

https://archive.org/details/MStarVol26/page/n133/mode/2up 

Elden J. Watson, ed., Manuscript History of Brigham Young 1801–1844 (Salt Lake City: Smith Secretarial Service, 1968), p. 112a. 

Besides, this personal seer stone would not have been the stone Joseph had at the time of the translation of the Book of Mormon as that stone was given to Oliver Cowdery who was no longer in the Church in 1841.

Note 5 should be edited to be historically accurate and, if the Woodruff quotation is retained, the Young quotation should be added for context and comparison.

In April 1843, JS taught that the earth in its perfected state would become a Urim and Thummim where all things “will be manifest to those who dwell on it” and that those prepared for the celestial kingdom would receive their own Urim and Thummim.7 See also “.”

Footnotes:
1. Woodruff, Journal, 27 Dec. 1841; Blessing for Newel K. Whitney, 7 Oct. 1835; JS History, vol. A-1, 9; Clayton, Journal, 15 June 1844; Book of Mormon, 1830 ed., 172–173 [Mosiah 8:13].


2. Seer Stone entry.

Seer stone

Summary

A special stone used for seeing visions and aiding translation. According to a European tradition of folk belief reaching back at least into the middle ages, quartz crystals or other stones could be used to find missing objects or to see other things not visible to the natural eye. This practice accompanied European immigrants to North America and was part of JS’s cultural environment in western New York in the 1820s, though by then the practice was waning. 

In his youth, JS occasionally used seer stones to help neighbors find missing objects or search for buried treasure. 4

Note 4 is misleading because it states as a fact a claim that a handful of critics made. At most, it should read "There are historical reports that JS used seer stones to help neighbors find missing objects or search for buried treasure. Of these accounts, JS answered the question "Was not Jo Smith a money digger?" by writing "Answer. Yes, but it was never a very profitable job to him, as he only got fourteen dollars a month for it."

By 1826, JS had at least two seer stones, and according to Brigham Young he eventually had five seer stones. 5

Again, hearsay written as fact. Revise to: "By 1826, one account claimed JS had at least two seer stones, and according to Brigham Young he eventually had five seer stones."

According to JS, in 1823 an angelic messenger revealed to him the location of gold plates and an instrument with which to translate them. 6

Note 6 should include references from Cowdery's 1835 Letter IV, where Cowdery cites Joseph's
"own words and provides more detail. 

This instrument consisted of “two stones in silver bows” that had been used by “seers in ancient times.” 7

The Book of Mormon itself referred to “interpreters” that were to be kept with the plates. 8

Note 8 should not refer to Alma 37, which originally referred to "directors" and not "interpreters." 
That change to the text was not made until 1920.

JS explained that he used the pair of stones found with the plates in his translation of the Book of Mormon. 9

Note 9 is misleading because Joseph never said he used a "pair of stones." The citation to
his history and the Wentworth letter both use "Urim and Thummim." The Elders' Journal Q&A
should also be cited. 

Eyewitnesses reported that he also translated using a dark brown seer stone placed in a hat to exclude exterior light and that he used a seer stone for many of his early revelations. 10 

This sentence is misleading because it implies the statements were contemporaneous.
It should be revised to say "Decades later, after the death of JS and Cowdery, people who 
claimed to be eyewitnesses reported that he also translated..."

JS referred to the pair of stones found with the plates as “spectacles,” and he later referred to these stones and his other seer stones with the term “Urim and Thummim,” the name of the instrument used by the high priest of Israel in the Bible. 11 

Note 11 doesn't support the claim that Joseph referred to his seer stones as "Urim and Thummim." It cites only Wilford Woodruff's ambiguous statement from 1841, which is irrelevant to how JS used the term in the D&C and Elders' Journal, and how Cowdery used the term in Letters 1 (1835) and IV (1836). At least the note includes the reference to BY's more detailed explanation of the meeting that Woodruff summarized.

In 1830, JS apparently began dictating most of his revelations without the aid of a seer stone. 12 

See also “.”



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